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It's really important for us to discuss it i guess.
So i added this topic for this.

What do you guys think ?

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maybe when he wakes up he might think he is micheal jackson lmao Tongue . but seriously we will just have to how that plays out.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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Might want to watch out for putting spoilers right in the topic title.

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Asaic wrote:
Might want to watch out for putting spoilers right in the topic title.

Oh sorry, putting right now, thanks.

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what I think is that they pretty much covered it in the Game Informer article. : )

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Might want to watch out for putting spoilers right in the topic title.

Oh sorry, putting right now, thanks.

I was kind of hinting at the fact that Desmond being in a coma is a spoiler in itself. Smile

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If you don't know that yet, I don't think you really ought to be in the Revelations sector. Tongue

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If you don't know that yet, I don't think you really ought to be in the Revelations sector. Tongue

Stare I know that man. I'm jusrtrying to create a discussion about it........

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I was kind of hinting at the fact that Desmond being in a coma is a spoiler in itself. Smile

Ooh... so what do you want me to do ? Wink

EDIT: Phi, i'm getting an impression that you don't like me.. Puzzled
You are complaining so much about my comments....
I know about Desmond's Coma, i just wanted to create a discussion about it, like : How the missions will be, what may have in the end, and stuff like that.

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its not a spoiler it tells you that in the game informer article

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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Danpii14 wrote:
161803398874989 wrote:
If you don't know that yet, I don't think you really ought to be in the Revelations sector. Tongue

Stare I know that man. I'm jusrtrying to create a discussion about it........

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I was kind of hinting at the fact that Desmond being in a coma is a spoiler in itself. Smile

Ooh... so what do you want me to do ? Wink

EDIT: Phi, i'm getting an impression that you don't like me.. Puzzled
You are complaining so much about my comments....
I know about Desmond's Coma, i just wanted to create a discussion about it, like : How the missions will be, what may have in the end, and stuff like that.

Phi was referring to the fact that Desmond's coma isn't really a spolier. If you don't know about it you shouldn't really be on this section of the site so there's no need to remove it from the thread title. He wasn't saying that creating a topic was stupid (I think anyway Tongue)

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Asaic said that it was an Spoiler, that's why i put [SPOILER] on the title.
And i should be here if i want.. i created the topic for we to discuss, btu it turned into an stupid argument.. i'm just trying to "socialize" and make a good discussion... I know about Desmond's Coma, but not everything, then i created this topic so people can discuss with each other about this...

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I wonder if the coma is allowing Desmond to somehow access Ezio's memories after his descendant was created. You'd think he would have had one or two somewhere by now.
Anyway this whole thing is going to cause massive bleeding effect on Desmond when he wakes up.

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that is something to think about

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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It doesn't matter how many people Ezio's had relations with, untill he reaches the one who leads to Desmond. The way I see it, is that every time he has sex, both he and his partner transfer everything that they remember in their lives up to that point into the sperm and egg.

Desmond cannot access the memories of beyond conception of his line, because Ezio did not transfer memories of the future during conception. That would be impossible.

So being in a coma doesn't change anything, Desmond has a strict timeline which he can see his ancestor's memories in: birth of the ancestor to conception of the child that eventually leads to Desmond. Because at that point, that section of memories gets imprinted on the child, and nothing more.

Desmond being in a coma means his mind's going to have a harder time using the animus, which is why it moved him to the black room, where he can navigate the simulation of his mind in lieu of the normal loading screen in the white room. Also, when Desmond wakes up, he'll have to have repaired the damage done on his brain. So the Bleeding effect will probably be able to be controlled by him. All the skills, none of the split-personality, and the option to explore any ancestor just by thinking hard about it.

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To aid the discussion and jog everyone's memory, I'm going to post the two different things you get based on when you start the DLC (Da Vinci's Disappearance):

If you play the DLC sequence before the end of the game, you get 2 e-mails (the first one at the beginning and the second one after the DLC is complete). The emails appear on the screen; you don't get them by leaving the animus to access Desmond's email.

Hephaestus E-mail Network
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1506

Hello Desmond,

In your time with Rebecca, Shaun and Lucy, you may have heard about higher level Assassins aiding your team. I am one of them. Rebecca has been instructed to give you this message if, or when, Ezio Auditore's 1506 memories are unlocked. Based on our historical research, we hope to acquire information of significant importance to our mission from that time period. We will be monitoring your progress through Rebecca.

All of this is confidential, and, therefore, must not be spoken of or discussed. I want to involve as few people as possible. I will inform you and Rebecca as soon as the information we are looking for has been discovered.

Good luck, Desmond.

W.M.
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RE: 1506

Desmond,

Thanks to you, we have found what we were looking for. Lucy was right about Ezio's Piece of Eden. It acted through Leonardo to reveal its secret.

You have saved us valuable time, of which we have less and less. Please, do not inform Lucy or Shaun of your discovery, our security depends on it.

Now, I must go, but I will see you soon.

W.M.
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However, if you begin the DLC in a completed game file, you get the following conversations (because Desmond is non compos mentis at this point):

At the beginning (both voices are male):

1: What's happening?
2: Ezio seems to be remembering something. Something from 1506.
1: Desmond's heart rate is increasing. I'm administering a sedative.
2: No. The missing data may be there. The Piece of Eden is useless until we have it. Let him continue.
1: Yes, William.
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At the end:

2: You can sedate Desmond now, we have the information we needed.
1: It's too late, the damage is done. He seems to have entered some kind of coma.
2: He'll find his way out. He always has in the past.
1: I've run the data through the computer. We have a location for the temple.
2: Then what are you waiting for? Let's go.

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Based on those emails/conversations, I have two questions I'd like to put up for discussion:

1. Why is Desmond supposed to keep this information confidential from Shaun and Lucy, and what (if any) is the significance of Rebecca's knowing about it?

2. Apparently this last one is not Desmond's first coma. What do you think about that?

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Based on those emails/conversations, I have two questions I'd like to put up for discussion:

1. Why is Desmond supposed to keep this information confidential from Shaun and Lucy, and what (if any) is the significance of Rebecca's knowing about it?

2. Apparently this last one is not Desmond's first coma. What do you think about that?

1. Assuming that Shaun doesn't have high enough clearance (Rebecca is probably way higher ranked than him, she's been with the Assassins for much longer), and that Lucy hasn't actually been cleared to receive info after getting back from Abstergo. They DO have a history of using mind-controlling devices, and remember how Daniel Cross got brainwashed and killed The Mentor? I'd bet they have scans for that that they have to put undercover agents through when they come back.

2. I thought that was more about Desmond always finding a way to survive by himself in the past, not in a coma specifically.

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I'm wondering if the whole Coma thing means that there won't be any of Shaun's Database entries, cause if ya think about it it makes sense... =/
That makes me sad though, cause I really liked reading his comments about the subjects, so amusing... :<

If they do bring it back it would probably be more robotic, as if the itself wrote 'em which makes less fun without Shaun's witty writing... Dx

Was there any mention about this that I might of missed...? Shock
I hope I'm wrong...

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I bet they've thought about the database entries. Maybe S 16 will do them? Would be really entertaining having a crazy guy talk about architecture!

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I bet too that they thought about the database, but yeah i agree Vhan, it was interesting. Wink
If they put this on Revelations it must have an explanation of putting this into the game. S16 making them was a funny idea, but i doubt that they'll say that it's S16 doing the databases.

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So which set of emails are cannon?

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You may as well remove Spoilers from the title, seeing as that isnt what Asiac meant. Also Danpii Phi was siding FOR you, no need to get upset about it. He was saying that it isnt much of a spoiler because most of us know it by now.

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So which set of emails are cannon?

I'd say the one you get after finishing the game is, since they don't give desmond the sedative and he drops into the coma, which is where he's at at the beginning of revelations.

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I bet too that they thought about the database, but yeah i agree Vhan, it was interesting. Wink
If they put this on Revelations it must have an explanation of putting this into the game. S16 making them was a funny idea, but i doubt that they'll say that it's S16 doing the databases.

It might be more plausible than it sounds. Remember how S16 lives on in the Animus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlynsNdO3XQ

He'll be more involved in revelations, I can tell. Desmond's in the Black Room now, and the Subject 16 clusters were all in black rooms.

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I bet too that they thought about the database, but yeah i agree Vhan, it was interesting. Wink
If they put this on Revelations it must have an explanation of putting this into the game. S16 making them was a funny idea, but i doubt that they'll say that it's S16 doing the databases.

It might be more plausible than it sounds. Remember how S16 lives on in the Animus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlynsNdO3XQ

He'll be more involved in revelations, I can tell. Desmond's in the Black Room now, and the Subject 16 clusters were all in black rooms.

Thanks for posting this, i forgot about this "mission".
Indeed, that proves what you're saying ! I remember now of this, The Truth in Brotherhood.

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They could still have you pulling fun facts from Shaun's database. I'm sure he wasn't just writing all those entries as Desmond descovered them.

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They could still have you pulling fun facts from Shaun's database. I'm sure he wasn't just writing all those entries as Desmond descovered them.

He was writing them around the time that Desmond discovered them, because they have references to things that Shaun couldn't have known unless he was at least half-way through Ezio's story.

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They could still have you pulling fun facts from Shaun's database. I'm sure he wasn't just writing all those entries as Desmond descovered them.

He was writing them around the time that Desmond discovered them, because they have references to things that Shaun couldn't have known unless he was at least half-way through Ezio's story.

The character entries yeah but i think info about landmarks and such could've been writen ahead of time.

Also, who's to say that Shaun or Rebecca won't be there at the Assassin HQ? Maybe they have their own Animus technictian but that doesn't mean Shaun can't still be the database man.

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They could still have you pulling fun facts from Shaun's database. I'm sure he wasn't just writing all those entries as Desmond descovered them.

He was writing them around the time that Desmond discovered them, because they have references to things that Shaun couldn't have known unless he was at least half-way through Ezio's story.

The character entries yeah but i think info about landmarks and such could've been writen ahead of time.

Also, who's to say that Shaun or Rebecca won't be there at the Assassin HQ? Maybe they have their own Animus technictian but that doesn't mean Shaun can't still be the database man.

The thing is, I don't know if they can influence ANYTHING about Desmond's unconsious Animus session. He's in the black room, the one with no user interface, remember? Shaun might have no way of sending stuff like that to him, even if Shaun's in the same room as him.

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The thing is, I don't know if they can influence ANYTHING about Desmond's unconsious Animus session. He's in the black room, the one with no user interface, remember? Shaun might have no way of sending stuff like that to him, even if Shaun's in the same room as him.

You have a point, in that case i geuss S16 is the only one who can provide Desmond with historical information. Though S16 probebly doesn't have the same sense of humor as Shaun so it won't be as fun to read.

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Though S16 probebly doesn't have the same sense of humor as Shaun so it won't be as fun to read.

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S16 actually made me laugh with the first bit of dialogue he had. "I didn't want then to find the video, so I split it up into 20 files and encrypted each of them. *nervous laugh* Can't be too careful."

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I can see his dialogue being a great way to reveal undiscovered history about locations, buildings, and people, as well as just be fun to play with.

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if s 16 with desmond they need a core from the animus from abstergo that´s how you got hem in the animus from rebeca.

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Desmond is still using the same animus that has the core which contains whatever is left of S16.

So no problem there.

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Not to mention that even if Desmond's put in a new Animus, he's been solving Glyphs and running through S16's programs for about two months in-universe; it's possible that the Animus has bled into him with his memories. (That's also my theory for how Desmond's going to have a HUD once he finally gets his own game)

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I doubt Desmond sequences will ever make up an entire game. I would bet on ancestors taking up the bulk of all AC games.

I can definately see Desmond getting assassination missions during the pauses in Animus action, however, and they'll probably either be more linear, or freeform and replayable in the animus. (since he can use the animus to relive his own memories, right?)

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i think we will never see desmond assassinate anyone.i mean assassins creed it would'nt be fun in modern times . if anything like you said the ancestor will take up a bulk of the game.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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Yeah, we can use the animus to replay desmond's memories. That will add some replayability. In the 3rd game, they should have a modern city for desmond and at least 1 city for the ancestor.

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i think we will never see desmond assassinate anyone.i mean assassins creed it would'nt be fun in modern times . if anything like you said the ancestor will take up a bulk of the game.

We've already seen Desmond kill someone. (End of AC2)

Modern day assassin's Creed has a whole realm of possiblities! Who knows how advanced the Assassins are in the art of murder, now? The Modern Day Assassinations will blow your mind, I can garuntee it.

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i think that he first can´t kill just for drama and that is not good but that he will slay all the templars just at the end. saving all the assassin´s and the world.

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i think that he first can´t kill just for drama and that is not good but that he will slay all the templars just at the end. saving all the assassin´s and the world.

That's the thing. He HAS killed people. Those guards at the end of the game. If you were a competent player, you managed to kill some of them.

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i think we will never see desmond assassinate anyone.i mean assassins creed it would'nt be fun in modern times . if anything like you said the ancestor will take up a bulk of the game.

We've already seen Desmond kill someone. (End of AC2)

Modern day assassin's Creed has a whole realm of possiblities! Who knows how advanced the Assassins are in the art of murder, now? The Modern Day Assassinations will blow your mind, I can garuntee it.

yeah i know but a AC game in modern times would start a rampage of illuminati conspiracys more than the AC series has already . but other than that i do agree with you.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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i think we will never see desmond assassinate anyone.i mean assassins creed it would'nt be fun in modern times . if anything like you said the ancestor will take up a bulk of the game.

We've already seen Desmond kill someone. (End of AC2)

Modern day assassin's Creed has a whole realm of possiblities! Who knows how advanced the Assassins are in the art of murder, now? The Modern Day Assassinations will blow your mind, I can garuntee it.

yeah i know but a AC game in modern times would start a rampage of illuminati conspiracys more than the AC series has already . but other than that i do agree with you.

What? They've already talked about all the conspiracy of modern times for 3 games! It's nothing new. It would just be featuring into the story in a more meaningful way for once.

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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i think that he first can´t kill just for drama and that is not good but that he will slay all the templars just at the end. saving all the assassin´s and the world.

That's the thing. He HAS killed people. Those guards at the end of the game. If you were a competent player, you managed to kill some of them.

yeah but i still think there going to make a great drama like we are all doomed and that on the end of the game everything comes right.

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They have to incorporate more of Desmond's story into AC:R. Hopefully, it is the last major game before AC3, so it's going to need to build on Desmond and develop his story more. If they fail to incorporate Desmond's story more into AC:R, they'll be doing the series a great disservice. The entire premise behind the game is for Desmond to become the "chosen one" who stops the Templar take-over. In order for this to play out, Ubi needs to make Desmond a focal point rather than focusing the majority of the game on an ancestor. The ancestors are a huge part of the series, but let's not forget that the basis of the game is the modern Assassin-Templar struggle.

The Templars were framed.

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They have to incorporate more of Desmond's story into AC:R. Hopefully, it is the last major game before AC3, so it's going to need to build on Desmond and develop his story more. If they fail to incorporate Desmond's story more into AC:R, they'll be doing the series a great disservice. The entire premise behind the game is for Desmond to become the "chosen one" who stops the Templar take-over. In order for this to play out, Ubi needs to make Desmond a focal point rather than focusing the majority of the game on an ancestor. The ancestors are a huge part of the series, but let's not forget that the basis of the game is the modern Assassin-Templar struggle.

I think they're going to do a good job of balancing Desmond/Ezio/Alatir gameplay this time around. Basically to get his mind back together, he has to get to the nexus, where he can reconcile both of the people he's viewed through the animus and stop having a split personality. But to get there, he has to travel through Ezio's memories, and since there's no user interface, travelling literally means traveling through the animus's interpretation of his mind and memories between sequences. So we'll learn lots about Desmond during those sequences. BUi has said this is the most Desmond time that's been in a game.

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Maybe the last half of the game is Desmond-centered? Since the E3 demo was "about halfway through the game", maybe we'll have the first half finish Ezio and Altair's stories, but Desmond with return from his coma and we'll get some present-day assassination action. Shock

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I doubt they'd show anything near the end of Ezio's story. There will be a fair balance of both characters throughout.

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Maybe the last half of the game is Desmond-centered? Since the E3 demo was "about halfway through the game", maybe we'll have the first half finish Ezio and Altair's stories, but Desmond with return from his coma and we'll get some present-day assassination action. Shock

I think we'll see Desmond's story more spread out, maybe even after each sequence. I wrote up a possible sequence of events a month or so ago, and posted it at GameFAQs to see what people think.

Here it is, unedited, and a little weak in parts (the ending in particular)

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Intro sequence - what's going on with Desmond, probably introducing the Black Room.

Sequence One. Ezio goes to Masyaf. He gets there, sees the massive Templar presence, finds out about the artifact and the Seals, and gets pointed to Constantinople. End Sequence One.

Desmond enters the Black Room for real, starts putting together the tattered pieces of his psyche. Once he does, Sequence Two is unlocked.

Sequence Two. Ezio arrives in Constantinople, meets some of the new cast and gets the Hookblade. His activities are currently restricted to a single district of the city. He finds the first Seal, cue the first Altair sequence. I expect the Altair Sequences to be very limited in scope, probably somewhere between the Romulus Lairs and the Leonardo War Machines in Brotherhood. Upon completion of the first Altair Sequence, Ezio gets weirded out somewhat (understandably, of course). Sequence ends with him rejoining some of his new compatriots.

Desmond part. Find out some about his past, about his family life before he left The Farm. Sequence Three unlocks.

Sequence Three. Ezio enters a new district, and Yusuf or whatever his name is, the leader of the Assassins in Constantinople, tells him about the dens and possibly gives him command over some of his men. Ezio hears word of another Seal, kills a Templar or two, and takes the Seal back to a Den and activates it, cue Altair Sequence Two. Once that's done he talks more with his compatriots and begins flirting for real with Sofia. He hears about Cappadocia, and decides it might be worth checking out.

Desmond part. Learn about his past between leaving the Farm and being kidnapped by Abstergo. Sequence Four unlocks.

Ezio goes to Cappadocia. Finds out about another Seal being kept hidden within the city. Cue the search, death of a few Templar, and taking of the Seal. Activation of the Seal causes Altair Sequence Three. Sequence ends with Ezio returning to Constantinople.

Desmond part. Meeting with Subject 16. Finding out his identity, what's really going on. Rebuild more of his shattered psyche. Sequence Five Unlocks.

Sequence Five. Upon returning to Constantinople, Ezio is attacked by Templar lead by the Assassin-turned-Templar mentioned in the GI article. Following this trail leads him to the Greek dude, Paleologos or whatever. Paleologos is secretive about his true loyalties, but directs Ezio towards another Seal, ripe for the taking, held by the Templars. And so begins Altair Sequence Four. That Altair Sequence ends, Paleologos reveals his true loyalties - either openly or unwittingly, and Ezio is forced to kill him.

Desmond part. More psyche building, more information from Subject 16. Sequence Six unlocks.

The last Seal has been revealed, and all of Constantinople is now open for business. Templar presence is high, Ezio is forced to be more careful. He eventually obtains the last Seal, and the last Altair Sequence begins. The way this Altair Sequence ends points Ezio towards his own goal, to be completed in the next Sequence.

Desmond part. Almost done rebuilding his psyche, but several key parts are missing in some way. Subject 16 continues to be at once revealing and mysterious. The last Ezio Sequence begins.

Ezio is back at Masyaf, with increased Templar presence to counter his own expanded arsenal. The artifact unlocked by the Seals is none other than Altair's Apple, with the Apple the Templar had taken from Cyprus in AC2 being a different one (duh). Okay, so I lied, one last Altair Sequence, this time revealed through the Apple2. It also shows Ezio that he needs to return to Monteriggioni to prepare the way for Desmond. He finally admits what he is to Sofia Sorta.

Desmond finishes rebuilding his psyche, and awakens from the coma, to be greeted by William M., the other one with him, and brought up to date with what's happened while he was stuck in the Animus.

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not bad